Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Thank God for grace! No member shall What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). The bitterness argument has been answered many times. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. N/A For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). He that loveth his wife loveth himself. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. 35. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. 2. My jabs are defensive in nature. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? I truly dont understand this one, ha! We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. Its the inspired word of God. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. WebOur Mission. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! 34. You might Yes, I remember that. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. Thats not unique to the IFB. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. I know the answers now. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). Its NOT ABOUT US! This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist You are correct! If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. 15. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. Plus they pray to the saints. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. I love devotions with the Lord. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. Good point Steve! We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. 33 Snakes! We had no money. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. God forgave because Jesus saved. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. The church never knew our problems but god did. If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. 22. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. 17. They are counting on your service and tithe. 14. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. I did learn a lot. 7. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. 4. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. 43. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. They all work together. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. Others are very much unfair criticism. LOL. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. Amen! The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? So I did. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. Jesus does that. Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. No, thats silly! I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to Independent Baptists (a.k.a. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. God Bless. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. People are people and free to choose their own way. 1 John 1:9 King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. Neither should control the other. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. This is the first and great commandment. 8. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. All I do is reply to comments. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. 46. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. 5 Hypocrite! People need Jesuswhats the big deal? 23. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. 29. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. No one knew about the marriage except us. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. Is there any perfect , no. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Wow! 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. 4,2, and 7 month old. Many of these are down right untruthful . All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? The IFB are Pharisees of our day. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. N/A 26 You blind Pharisee! You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. 7 You hypocrites!
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